Superman & Lois" Superboy Reveals His Unused Pitch For Season 5 & Potential Arrowverse Spinoff
WARNING: This article includes SPOILERS from the Superman & Lois series finale.While the idea of Superman & Lois season 5 has been nixed, one of the lead DC TV stars of the show had ideas for another run of episodes. After over a decade of telling stories in the Arrowverse franchise, Superman & Lois season 4 marked the end of the last DC TV show for The CW. However, even though another season wasn"t on the table, that doesn"t mean some of the stars didn"t have an idea of what another could have looked like if The CW had continued the series.
In an exclusive interview with Screen Rant, Superman & Lois actor Alex Garfin, who portrayed Jordan Kent a.k.a. Superboy, opened up about how he had ideas for season 5 that he was initially going to pitch to the showrunners. Garfin had not only shared the idea with Superman & Lois" own Tyler Hoechlin, but they were going to pitch it together, as he revealed the following story details:
[indent] Superman deals with the physical [while] Lois, a lot of times, deals with the emotional issues and the more interpersonal issues, and we see how the interpersonal issues can manifest in a physical way. In fact, I had a pitch that I was going to do for season 5. So I was going to pitch this, and Tyler actually liked it so much he was going to pitch it with me, because I was 19 at the time, but he really believed in this idea. I actually even, in a post-mortem kind of way, pitched it to Jai as well. I would love to hear what Todd and everyone that"s the big boss would think of it. But I think it dealt with these themes, so here was my pitch for an alternate season 5. This was the beginning of season 3, when I was going to pitch this. So we didn"t really know about the Luthor element of it all. We didn"t really know what was going on. [In] season 5, so each character had their own little arc, the main villain would still be Luthor, but Luthor is actually funding this organization that worships Superman like a God, because the whole thing with Superman is a little Jesus. It"s a little biblical. So the idea is that Superman has these big fights around the world and destroys a lot of property and destroys a lot of lives, just from the bystanders. And the people say, "The Lord giveth, the Lord taketh away" and they start this big fund that helps repair some of the damages that Superman does because they worship him so much. It"s their way of showing thanks. Now, obviously, Clark gets extremely uncomfortable with this, and he doesn"t realize that Luthor has actually been putting it on to try to manipulate people. Because how do you get Superman? You come for his ego. You come for his lack thereof. You make him feel like a God, therefore people will fear him. You won"t be able to help in the same way. So all the while, Lois is muckraking this whole institution.
[/indent][indent] She"s trying to get underneath it all. She"s trying to understand where did this all come from. She starts to circle in on Luthor actually [being] the one running this entire cult. But the cult starts to get more and more worldwide. And I think one of the flaws of it is that actually it would be a little similar to season 2, but the cult starts to grow more and more worldwide, and they see Jordan as this kind of Hercules/Demigod, clearly a lesser version of Superman. All the while, Jonathan, he starts his own version of the repair fund. He starts his own version of trying to help the people that have been - because it"s before he had powers - that have been hurt by Superman along the way, hurt by Superman and Jordan. Then there"s Sam Lane, obviously, back when he was alive, would be at the DoD trying to use this to help his cause for the United States government. Superman is this American figure, so he"s kind of working against Lois in this way, and he"s trying to get Lois to stop her publications. Lois has this whole duty of journalism. The thing is, that I thought it was interesting to make the battleground not just physical, but also in people"s minds. Because that"s where Lois truly shines. That"s how Lois is more powerful than Superman. There"s a Shakespeare sonnet. There"s also a couple other things, actually. Sarah knows his secret and doesn"t know what to do about it. I forgot Lana had a thing. I think she helps with Jonathan somehow. But the funniest one is that Kyle became a devout Super-night, he starts going full on wearing the strange clothes, he"s absolutely full into it, like he is devout. And then, of course, that causes conflict with him and Sarah.
[/indent] What Alex Garfin's Season 5 Pitch Means For Superman & Lois Close While the Superman & Lois series finale may be the end for The CW drama, Screen Rant also asked Garfin if he would ever be interested in tackling Jordan"s potential DC Comics debut, similar to how Nicole Maines" Dreamer from Supergirl is now in the canon too. While he would love to continue telling Jordan"s story, Garfin also shared the idea he would have for a Superman & Lois spinoff series that would center more on the Kent sons, explaining the following:
[indent] Yeah, actually, I was coming up with an idea for a spin off at one point where Jordan and Jonathan are finally going to "college." The college turns out to be set up by the DoD, and it"s this place that the DoD is kind of keeping all these super-kids prisoner. In a way, it"s a lot like the Tag Harris storyline, but it went [in] a bit of a different direction in that it turns out that this is actually an old, outdated program from the Soviet era, and that they"re keeping these kids almost like nuclear weapons, because the Soviets still have theirs. And eventually they"re fighting each other, but then they ended up teaming up, realizing that they were fighting other people"s wars and toppling governments. It got really political and strange and kind of a little more global. I would love to make that show a reality one of these days, I really would.
[/indent]Given that the Kent boys would have eventually graduated from high school, a Superman & Lois spinoff with them in their college years would have been a natural direction for their characters. That would also have allowed Jordan and Jonathan more of the spotlight, while Superman & Lois could have continued to develop Lois and Clark further. Even if this were to happen as a spinoff without Superman & Lois being on the air, it would be a way to fill in the years that weren"t shown in the Superman & Lois finale"s flash-forward.
Our Take On Alex Garfin's Pitch For Superman & Lois Season 5![]()
While having similarities to Superman & Lois season 3, Garfin"s season 5 would have taken a different approach to the cult idea by centering the Man of Steel and Lois in a new light. In terms of a spinoff, time will tell if it ever happens, whether as a live-action or animated series, or even potentially as a comic book continuation, which has happened to other TV shows in the superhero genre. But until then, 2024 is the true end for Superman & Lois, marking the conclusion of a phenomenal run for four seasons.
In an exclusive interview with Screen Rant, Superman & Lois actor Alex Garfin, who portrayed Jordan Kent a.k.a. Superboy, opened up about how he had ideas for season 5 that he was initially going to pitch to the showrunners. Garfin had not only shared the idea with Superman & Lois" own Tyler Hoechlin, but they were going to pitch it together, as he revealed the following story details:
[indent] Superman deals with the physical [while] Lois, a lot of times, deals with the emotional issues and the more interpersonal issues, and we see how the interpersonal issues can manifest in a physical way. In fact, I had a pitch that I was going to do for season 5. So I was going to pitch this, and Tyler actually liked it so much he was going to pitch it with me, because I was 19 at the time, but he really believed in this idea. I actually even, in a post-mortem kind of way, pitched it to Jai as well. I would love to hear what Todd and everyone that"s the big boss would think of it. But I think it dealt with these themes, so here was my pitch for an alternate season 5. This was the beginning of season 3, when I was going to pitch this. So we didn"t really know about the Luthor element of it all. We didn"t really know what was going on. [In] season 5, so each character had their own little arc, the main villain would still be Luthor, but Luthor is actually funding this organization that worships Superman like a God, because the whole thing with Superman is a little Jesus. It"s a little biblical. So the idea is that Superman has these big fights around the world and destroys a lot of property and destroys a lot of lives, just from the bystanders. And the people say, "The Lord giveth, the Lord taketh away" and they start this big fund that helps repair some of the damages that Superman does because they worship him so much. It"s their way of showing thanks. Now, obviously, Clark gets extremely uncomfortable with this, and he doesn"t realize that Luthor has actually been putting it on to try to manipulate people. Because how do you get Superman? You come for his ego. You come for his lack thereof. You make him feel like a God, therefore people will fear him. You won"t be able to help in the same way. So all the while, Lois is muckraking this whole institution.
[/indent][indent] She"s trying to get underneath it all. She"s trying to understand where did this all come from. She starts to circle in on Luthor actually [being] the one running this entire cult. But the cult starts to get more and more worldwide. And I think one of the flaws of it is that actually it would be a little similar to season 2, but the cult starts to grow more and more worldwide, and they see Jordan as this kind of Hercules/Demigod, clearly a lesser version of Superman. All the while, Jonathan, he starts his own version of the repair fund. He starts his own version of trying to help the people that have been - because it"s before he had powers - that have been hurt by Superman along the way, hurt by Superman and Jordan. Then there"s Sam Lane, obviously, back when he was alive, would be at the DoD trying to use this to help his cause for the United States government. Superman is this American figure, so he"s kind of working against Lois in this way, and he"s trying to get Lois to stop her publications. Lois has this whole duty of journalism. The thing is, that I thought it was interesting to make the battleground not just physical, but also in people"s minds. Because that"s where Lois truly shines. That"s how Lois is more powerful than Superman. There"s a Shakespeare sonnet. There"s also a couple other things, actually. Sarah knows his secret and doesn"t know what to do about it. I forgot Lana had a thing. I think she helps with Jonathan somehow. But the funniest one is that Kyle became a devout Super-night, he starts going full on wearing the strange clothes, he"s absolutely full into it, like he is devout. And then, of course, that causes conflict with him and Sarah.
[/indent] What Alex Garfin's Season 5 Pitch Means For Superman & Lois Close While the Superman & Lois series finale may be the end for The CW drama, Screen Rant also asked Garfin if he would ever be interested in tackling Jordan"s potential DC Comics debut, similar to how Nicole Maines" Dreamer from Supergirl is now in the canon too. While he would love to continue telling Jordan"s story, Garfin also shared the idea he would have for a Superman & Lois spinoff series that would center more on the Kent sons, explaining the following:
[indent] Yeah, actually, I was coming up with an idea for a spin off at one point where Jordan and Jonathan are finally going to "college." The college turns out to be set up by the DoD, and it"s this place that the DoD is kind of keeping all these super-kids prisoner. In a way, it"s a lot like the Tag Harris storyline, but it went [in] a bit of a different direction in that it turns out that this is actually an old, outdated program from the Soviet era, and that they"re keeping these kids almost like nuclear weapons, because the Soviets still have theirs. And eventually they"re fighting each other, but then they ended up teaming up, realizing that they were fighting other people"s wars and toppling governments. It got really political and strange and kind of a little more global. I would love to make that show a reality one of these days, I really would.
[/indent]Given that the Kent boys would have eventually graduated from high school, a Superman & Lois spinoff with them in their college years would have been a natural direction for their characters. That would also have allowed Jordan and Jonathan more of the spotlight, while Superman & Lois could have continued to develop Lois and Clark further. Even if this were to happen as a spinoff without Superman & Lois being on the air, it would be a way to fill in the years that weren"t shown in the Superman & Lois finale"s flash-forward.
Our Take On Alex Garfin's Pitch For Superman & Lois Season 5
While having similarities to Superman & Lois season 3, Garfin"s season 5 would have taken a different approach to the cult idea by centering the Man of Steel and Lois in a new light. In terms of a spinoff, time will tell if it ever happens, whether as a live-action or animated series, or even potentially as a comic book continuation, which has happened to other TV shows in the superhero genre. But until then, 2024 is the true end for Superman & Lois, marking the conclusion of a phenomenal run for four seasons.
